While the Early/Middle Bronze Age ‘Yamnaya’-related group (Steppe_EMBA) is a good genetic match (together with Neolithic Iran) for ANI, the later Middle/Late Bronze Age steppe population (Steppe_MLBA) is not.However, in Narasimhan et. al. 2018, Steppe_MLBA is seen to be a better match, and Steppe_EMBA is ruled out. Underlying it are different other components of ancestry that are used.
In Lazarides, the other components of ancestry are Iran_N(eolithic), Onge, and Han.
In Narasimhan, the other components of ancestry are Iran agriculturist (same as Iran_N?) , AASI (another name for Onge), and a composite of "Indus_Periphery" and Swat SGPT and early historic individuals.
Why is it important? Because if these genetic findings are correlated with language (a big if!) and because if the Rg Veda is taken seriously, e.g., its mentions of the Saraswati River, then a post-IVC arrival of I.E. is untenable. Likewise with the Vedic Indra-Varuna-Mitra- Nasatyas in the Mitanni documents. Steppe_EMBA doesn't rule out a pre-IVC-collapse arrival; but Steppe_MLBA pretty much does.
One should note that Steppe_EMBA itself lies on the cline between Iran_Chalcolithic and European Hunter Gatherer, and Steppe_MLBA is largely Steppe_EMBA but on the Steppe_EMBA - European_MidNeolithic_Chalcolithic cline. (see Lazarides 2016 for this, excerpted diagrams here).
But in contemplating the difference between Lazarides and Narasimhan, it seems the Siberian Hunter Gather component is what makes the difference.
A question would be - do Steppe_EMBA and Steppe_MLBA have "similar ancestry profiles"? Apparently in the context of the Narasimhan et. al. model, for the purpose of modeling ANI they do not. Yet, for the purpose of modeling ANI, Indus_Periphery and Swat individuals have a similar ancestry profile.
trappedpawn 11p · 360 weeks ago
The invading/migrating Aryans were far more numerous than the British, ascertained by the fact that most Indians carry between 20% - 40% Steppe DNA, so where is the trace of their language if not Sanskrit?!
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macgupta123 12p · 358 weeks ago
This is very strange. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prakrit
The Prakrits (/ˈprɑːkrɪt/; Sanskrit: प्राकृत prākṛta; Shauraseni: pāuda; Jain Prakrit: pāua) are any of several Middle Indo-Aryan languages formerly spoken in India.[2][3] Texts written in these languages date from the 3rd century BC to the 8th century AD or later.
Why would words originating in Prakrit have some special property to be passed from Khotanese to Tocharian (attested 6-8th century AD)? Either Khotanese influenced Tocharian or the Prakrits did.
macgupta123 12p · 358 weeks ago
One distinguishing feature of Khotanese is the presence of retroflex consonants, absent in other Middle Indo-Iranian languages.
Calling Khotanese "Middle Indo-Iranian" is linguist bullshit.
This is likely clearly a case of Sakas invaded India ~100 CE, and Indian languages spread back into the original Saka homeland. But because linguists' classification names follow their theory, they call it "Middle Indo-Iranian".
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